A Dance with Dragons *SPOILER FUCKIN ALERT*

[Nye]

WTF!!!

Jon Snow dead? I don't believe it.

Clearly something happened at Winterfell, but GRRM decided to let it slide for the next book.  I knew right away who Able was, but where did "Reek" go?  I'm mildly depressed that I have to wait again. 

[Gregor]

I assume that Stannis is dead in the same way that Davos is "dead", and that Jon will become un-Jon (similar to un-Cat - damn red priests).

[Bull]

WTF!!!

Jon Snow dead? I don't believe it.

Clearly something happened at Winterfell, but GRRM decided to let it slide for the next book.  I knew right away who Able was, but where did "Reek" go?  I'm mildly depressed that I have to wait again. 

Yeah I'm surprised by the whole thing. Why would he have a meeting and basically announce that he was breaking his vows in front of everyone. I think something else is up. Could his death have been pre-planned out? And if so maybe it was an illusion or something. I know it's hard to believe but I'm just thinking of other options instead of him being dead. Cold-Hands is dead and seems to be sort of a good other, maybe Jon will come back like that too, I dunno. They did stab the shit out of him...

[Nye]

WTF!!!

Jon Snow dead? I don't believe it.

Clearly something happened at Winterfell, but GRRM decided to let it slide for the next book.  I knew right away who Able was, but where did "Reek" go?  I'm mildly depressed that I have to wait again. 

Yeah I'm surprised by the whole thing. Why would he have a meeting and basically announce that he was breaking his vows in front of everyone. I think something else is up. Could his death have been pre-planned out? And if so maybe it was an illusion or something. I know it's hard to believe but I'm just thinking of other options instead of him being dead. Cold-Hands is dead and seems to be sort of a good other, maybe Jon will come back like that too, I dunno. They did stab the shit out of him...

It seemed pretty tense to be a fake stabbing, and it was the guys who weren't happy with him to begin with that did it, so unless he convinced them to go along with the plan... who knows.

I think Dany will be arriving back in meereen with a new kalasahar and in control of drogon and just fuck the yunkish in the ass.

[Gregor]

I think Dany will be arriving back in meereen with a new kalasahar and in control of drogon and just fuck the yunkish in the ass.

Maybe she'll fly around the Dothraki Sea and unite all the kalasahar?

[Bull]

WTF!!!

Jon Snow dead? I don't believe it.

Clearly something happened at Winterfell, but GRRM decided to let it slide for the next book.  I knew right away who Able was, but where did "Reek" go?  I'm mildly depressed that I have to wait again. 

Yeah I'm surprised by the whole thing. Why would he have a meeting and basically announce that he was breaking his vows in front of everyone. I think something else is up. Could his death have been pre-planned out? And if so maybe it was an illusion or something. I know it's hard to believe but I'm just thinking of other options instead of him being dead. Cold-Hands is dead and seems to be sort of a good other, maybe Jon will come back like that too, I dunno. They did stab the shit out of him...

It seemed pretty tense to be a fake stabbing, and it was the guys who weren't happy with him to begin with that did it, so unless he convinced them to go along with the plan... who knows.

No, the stabber could be real and really think they are stabbing Jon, but maybe that wasn't him. They did manage to fool everyone into thinking Mance was rattleshirt. But let's face it. I'm pretty sure he's a goner.

[Bull]

I think Dany will be arriving back in meereen with a new kalasahar and in control of drogon and just fuck the yunkish in the ass.

Maybe she'll fly around the Dothraki Sea and unite all the kalasahar?

I think she's going to flyback after pooping all over herself and find out that her husband tried to kill her. Finally get pissed off and declare war on those dudes outside of Merreen and the sons of the Harpy. Who in the mean time are cutoff from the sea by that Greyjoy pirate who shows up with a bunch of ships. being flanked on both sides and weakened by the plague the army of rejects is easily and swiftly defeated. Dany blows the horn that controls the dragons and unlike everyone else doesn't burn. She then has control over her dragons and the ships she needs to set sail back to westeros. And then it's time to take out all the false kings.

[Jeebas]

WTF!!!

Jon Snow dead? I don't believe it.

Clearly something happened at Winterfell, but GRRM decided to let it slide for the next book.  I knew right away who Able was, but where did "Reek" go?  I'm mildly depressed that I have to wait again. 

Yeah I'm surprised by the whole thing. Why would he have a meeting and basically announce that he was breaking his vows in front of everyone. I think something else is up. Could his death have been pre-planned out? And if so maybe it was an illusion or something. I know it's hard to believe but I'm just thinking of other options instead of him being dead. Cold-Hands is dead and seems to be sort of a good other, maybe Jon will come back like that too, I dunno. They did stab the shit out of him...

It seemed pretty tense to be a fake stabbing, and it was the guys who weren't happy with him to begin with that did it, so unless he convinced them to go along with the plan... who knows.

No, the stabber could be real and really think they are stabbing Jon, but maybe that wasn't him. They did manage to fool everyone into thinking Mance was rattleshirt. But let's face it. I'm pretty sure he's a goner.

Just finished the book a few days ago.

I think Jon actually got stabbed... since all of those chapters are first person POV it would be weird to change it up when the chapter is entitled 'Jon'

I don't think Stannis is dead. "Reek" aka Theon jumped off the outer wall of Winterfell with "Arya" aka Jeyne Poole and then they were found by the Braavosi banker who had just been at the Wall looking for Stannis. In the letter from "Ramsay" it mentions things that only Theon and Mance (or one of the spearwives) could have known. Furthermore Theon and Jeyne were with Stannis. It wasn't mentioned that the letter was sealed by anything other than a smear of pink wax.

I am still curious about what's going on in Oldtown... who this Alleras is... what Sam is up to.

Tons more to talk about...

[Jeebas]

About a week old but... new sample chapter from TWOW

http://www.georgerrmartin.com/if-sample.html

[Bull]

I am still curious about what's going on in Oldtown... who this Alleras is...  

Tons more to talk about...

Oh that's easy, just spell it backwards...

After the death of their father by Ser Gregor Clegane, the oldest of the Sand Snakes, Obara, Nymeria and Tyene, began to pressure Doran Martell to declare war in retribution, and became involved in various plots to effect the same, including agitating the Dornish populace. Concerned that their efforts would undermine his own schemes, Prince Doran had the oldest ones confined to tower cells in Sunspear, with the exception of Sarella, who was in Oldtown. The youngest four, however, were isolated in the Water Gardens with their mother, to prevent them from being used in the plots of others and drawing Dorne into a war.


By the way I love the Martell's, Doran's great. Unfortunatly the Sand Snakes don't think so and I think they will mess up all his carfeul planning.

[pnickers]

Finally DONE! 

I can't believe how good GRRM is at making me really angry by killing characters.  I'm really bummed to not have more of it to read for who knows how long. 

I'm pretty sure Jon Snow is dead as well, but I have no idea what is going to happen at the wall then.  Does Sam come back to find everything in chaos as a maester? 

I think Dany will form some uneasy alliance with Victarion and move her people back to Westeros, but I have no idea how things will play out with Dorne.  Will they ally with Connington, Dany and the Iron Islanders or what?  How is Tyrion going to play into all of this, or is his story pretty much at an end?  What's going on in the Vale?  Are Brienne and jaime heading there?  And there are so many characters that we didn't really see much of in this book.  Damn...so good.  I'm glad I finally started reading this series. 

So many questions...  At least the new season of Games of Thrones will be out in about a month and a half. 

[Gregor]

[Bull]

Finally DONE! 

I can't believe how good GRRM is at making me really angry by killing characters.  I'm really bummed to not have more of it to read for who knows how long. 

I'm pretty sure Jon Snow is dead as well, but I have no idea what is going to happen at the wall then.  Does Sam come back to find everything in chaos as a maester? 

I think Dany will form some uneasy alliance with Victarion and move her people back to Westeros, but I have no idea how things will play out with Dorne.  Will they ally with Connington, Dany and the Iron Islanders or what?  How is Tyrion going to play into all of this, or is his story pretty much at an end?  What's going on in the Vale?  Are Brienne and jaime heading there?  And there are so many characters that we didn't really see much of in this book.  Damn...so good.  I'm glad I finally started reading this series. 

So many questions...  At least the new season of Games of Thrones will be out in about a month and a half. 

Yes, now welcome to the waiting game. According to schedule it will probably be about 16 years when the next book comes out. lol.

Also what role do you guys think Bran is going to play as a wierd tree/green man. Sounds like he kinda got a shitty deal to me. But I guess if you can't walk anyways, being a tree won't be so bad.

[pnickers]

Yeah, it seems like Bran got a pretty shitty deal.  He went all that way to live underground in the dark and turn into a tree. 

[Gregor]

No, the Reeds got a shitty deal. Bran gets superpowers, they get hypothermia.

[pnickers]

And that also makes me wonder, whatever happened to Rickon? 

[newefezziwig]

And that also makes me wonder, whatever happened to Rickon? 

He's still hiding down in the crypts..

[Bull]

And that also makes me wonder, whatever happened to Rickon? 

He's still hiding down in the crypts..

Dude is chilling in the swamps with shaggy dog.

[Jeebas]

Finally DONE! 

I can't believe how good GRRM is at making me really angry by killing characters.  I'm really bummed to not have more of it to read for who knows how long. 

I'm pretty sure Jon Snow is dead as well, but I have no idea what is going to happen at the wall then.  Does Sam come back to find everything in chaos as a maester? 

I think Dany will form some uneasy alliance with Victarion and move her people back to Westeros, but I have no idea how things will play out with Dorne.  Will they ally with Connington, Dany and the Iron Islanders or what?  How is Tyrion going to play into all of this, or is his story pretty much at an end?  What's going on in the Vale?  Are Brienne and jaime heading there?  And there are so many characters that we didn't really see much of in this book.  Damn...so good.  I'm glad I finally started reading this series. 

So many questions...  At least the new season of Games of Thrones will be out in about a month and a half. 

Yes, now welcome to the waiting game. According to schedule it will probably be about 16 years when the next book comes out. lol.

Also what role do you guys think Bran is going to play as a wierd tree/green man. Sounds like he kinda got a shitty deal to me. But I guess if you can't walk anyways, being a tree won't be so bad.

Yes but he can "fly" and occupy the weirwoods and observe stuff (and he contacts Theon through the weirwood at Winterfell), better than just being an everyday ordinary cripple IMHO

[Bull]

Finally DONE! 

I can't believe how good GRRM is at making me really angry by killing characters.  I'm really bummed to not have more of it to read for who knows how long. 

I'm pretty sure Jon Snow is dead as well, but I have no idea what is going to happen at the wall then.  Does Sam come back to find everything in chaos as a maester? 

I think Dany will form some uneasy alliance with Victarion and move her people back to Westeros, but I have no idea how things will play out with Dorne.  Will they ally with Connington, Dany and the Iron Islanders or what?  How is Tyrion going to play into all of this, or is his story pretty much at an end?  What's going on in the Vale?  Are Brienne and jaime heading there?  And there are so many characters that we didn't really see much of in this book.  Damn...so good.  I'm glad I finally started reading this series. 

So many questions...  At least the new season of Games of Thrones will be out in about a month and a half. 

Yes, now welcome to the waiting game. According to schedule it will probably be about 16 years when the next book comes out. lol.

Also what role do you guys think Bran is going to play as a wierd tree/green man. Sounds like he kinda got a shitty deal to me. But I guess if you can't walk anyways, being a tree won't be so bad.

Yes but he can "fly" and occupy the weirwoods and observe stuff (and he contacts Theon through the weirwood at Winterfell), better than just being an everyday ordinary cripple IMHO

And what about Hodor, is he just stuck there now?

[Jeebas]

And that also makes me wonder, whatever happened to Rickon? 

He's still hiding down in the crypts..

The one guy that was with Theon before he lost Winterfell to the batsard o' bolton told Manderly that he followed Osha and Rickon to Skagos ("where men break fast upon human flesh" or something like that) and so he sends Davos to go get him as the price of Manderly's allegiance to Stannis.

[Jeebas]

Finally DONE! 

I can't believe how good GRRM is at making me really angry by killing characters.  I'm really bummed to not have more of it to read for who knows how long. 

I'm pretty sure Jon Snow is dead as well, but I have no idea what is going to happen at the wall then.  Does Sam come back to find everything in chaos as a maester? 

I think Dany will form some uneasy alliance with Victarion and move her people back to Westeros, but I have no idea how things will play out with Dorne.  Will they ally with Connington, Dany and the Iron Islanders or what?  How is Tyrion going to play into all of this, or is his story pretty much at an end?  What's going on in the Vale?  Are Brienne and jaime heading there?  And there are so many characters that we didn't really see much of in this book.  Damn...so good.  I'm glad I finally started reading this series. 

So many questions...  At least the new season of Games of Thrones will be out in about a month and a half. 

Yes, now welcome to the waiting game. According to schedule it will probably be about 16 years when the next book comes out. lol.

Also what role do you guys think Bran is going to play as a wierd tree/green man. Sounds like he kinda got a shitty deal to me. But I guess if you can't walk anyways, being a tree won't be so bad.

Yes but he can "fly" and occupy the weirwoods and observe stuff (and he contacts Theon through the weirwood at Winterfell), better than just being an everyday ordinary cripple IMHO

And what about Hodor, is he just stuck there now?

He's stuck there the same way that the Reeds are, better than being killed by Others I guess...

[Bull]

Finally DONE! 

I can't believe how good GRRM is at making me really angry by killing characters.  I'm really bummed to not have more of it to read for who knows how long. 

I'm pretty sure Jon Snow is dead as well, but I have no idea what is going to happen at the wall then.  Does Sam come back to find everything in chaos as a maester? 

I think Dany will form some uneasy alliance with Victarion and move her people back to Westeros, but I have no idea how things will play out with Dorne.  Will they ally with Connington, Dany and the Iron Islanders or what?  How is Tyrion going to play into all of this, or is his story pretty much at an end?  What's going on in the Vale?  Are Brienne and jaime heading there?  And there are so many characters that we didn't really see much of in this book.  Damn...so good.  I'm glad I finally started reading this series. 

So many questions...  At least the new season of Games of Thrones will be out in about a month and a half. 

Yes, now welcome to the waiting game. According to schedule it will probably be about 16 years when the next book comes out. lol.

Also what role do you guys think Bran is going to play as a wierd tree/green man. Sounds like he kinda got a shitty deal to me. But I guess if you can't walk anyways, being a tree won't be so bad.

Yes but he can "fly" and occupy the weirwoods and observe stuff (and he contacts Theon through the weirwood at Winterfell), better than just being an everyday ordinary cripple IMHO

And what about Hodor, is he just stuck there now?

He's stuck there the same way that the Reeds are, better than being killed by Others I guess...

Well, we still don't know where benjen is, maybe he will rescue them. If he is not coldhands...

[Bull]

Also, I read this again and I'm 100% sure that Jon isn't dead. There is a lot of political manuevering going on in the north with multiple families, wildlings, and croganmen involved. A lot of shit is going down and I think we only got glimpses of it in this book. It just seemed to me to be too stange for Jon to pull such a bonehead move as basically publicing declaring his breaking of the oath. He knew that most of the people in the nightwatch were not truely on his side. There is a bigger goal behind this, and I still think he has some sort of scheme going on possibly with the red priestess. I mean we know those people like bringing people back from the dead and also creating illusions and even healing with fire. Jon is the delclared heir of winterfell, Bolton and he men crossed the neck without no one attacking them. The hooded man in winterfell, Davos, Rickon, Benjen, Howland Reed, the blackfish and even Un-Cat are all mysterious figures at this point who may or may not be important variables to what is going on. Not to mention The multiple armies and the Karstarks and Ironmen. There is actually too much going on to actually keep track of, especially with the strange time line changes. I think we are only seeing glimpses of the entire picture here, and I think Jon has show he is more clever, resourceful and lucky then most give him credit for. I think he still is a large piece in the puzzle.

Basically, to me he's not dead until some one proves it. Also we have had multiple instances where when a warg dies (And Jon is a warg) their sould sometimes gets stuck in the body of their animal. So even if Jon did die he could still live on in Ghost.

HOLY SHIT, I just thought of something else! The story is called the song of fire and ice. I always thought that Jon and Deanerys would team up and take over. But now I'm thinking it might come down to them two fighting it out for control. Deanerys, is fire with her dragons and Jon is ice with his stark connections and warg abilities.

[Jeebas]

Yes, now welcome to the waiting game. According to schedule it will probably be about 16 years when the next book comes out. lol.

http://grrm.livejournal.com/257002.html

"(FYI, there will be a different sample chapter from WINDS OF WINTER included at the end of the paperback edition of A DANCE WITH DRAGONS when that is published next July)."

So one can assume that WOW will not be released by 7/2012 and probably not this year in actuality.

A Game of Thrones - August 1996
A Clash of Kings - February 1999
A Storm of Swords - November 2000
A Feast for Crows - November 2005
A Dance with Dragons - July 2011

So I would guess 2017?

[Bull]

Yes, now welcome to the waiting game. According to schedule it will probably be about 16 years when the next book comes out. lol.

http://grrm.livejournal.com/257002.html

"(FYI, there will be a different sample chapter from WINDS OF WINTER included at the end of the paperback edition of A DANCE WITH DRAGONS when that is published next July)."

So one can assume that WOW will not be released by 7/2012 and probably not this year in actuality.

A Game of Thrones - August 1996
A Clash of Kings - February 1999
A Storm of Swords - November 2000
A Feast for Crows - November 2005
A Dance with Dragons - July 2011

So I would guess 2017?

Yeah but you also have to realize a feast for crows and a dance for dragons were supposed to be one book that he split up. So most of ADWD was alsready written... and it still took 6 more years, even though he said it would take him only months to finish after AFFC. Maybe since the popularity will cause him to write faster, but I think he will just be doing more signing and be busy with other stuff now. I'm hoping it's fast, but I have a feeling that this series may end up like a wheel of time. Hopefully George has some good notes that some one can access. lol.

[$1.50]

Bran gets superpowers

Is it the power to keep you regular?

[Gregor]

Bran gets superpowers

Is it the power to keep you regular?

That's his brother, Prune.

[newefezziwig]

Bran gets superpowers

Is it the power to keep you regular?

That's his brother, Prune.

And then their long lost brothers Chet and Stan show up for an unplanned meeting

[Gregor]

You mean Steve and Stu Fortesku?