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« Reply #60 on: February 25, 2010, 04:47:15 PM » |
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without going into great detail, I'd argue that their improved ranking from 1994-2009 had more to do with Cowher & Lebeau than actually getting any "better" from the 1982 onset.
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« Reply #61 on: February 25, 2010, 04:48:22 PM » |
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« Reply #62 on: February 25, 2010, 04:49:51 PM » |
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« Reply #63 on: February 25, 2010, 04:52:01 PM » |
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Why would they switch to a 4-3?
For one thing their head coach was a D Coordinator for a 4-3. |
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« Reply #64 on: February 25, 2010, 04:59:22 PM » |
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If they switch I'm becoming a Jets fan.
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« Reply #65 on: February 26, 2010, 09:53:29 AM » |
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without going into great detail, I'd argue that their improved ranking from 1994-2009 had more to do with Cowher & Lebeau than actually getting any "better" from the 1982 onset.
I agree there's more to do with the success than just the scheme either way, but I believe that the 3-4 has been more successful for them, especially recently. FWIW - LeBeau wasn't there from 1997-2003 (7 out of those 16 seasons from 1994-2009). |
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« Reply #66 on: February 26, 2010, 09:57:20 AM » |
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Why would they switch to a 4-3?
For one thing their head coach was a D Coordinator for a 4-3. Ok, so why wouldn't he just switch it from the get go when he became head coach? Oh yeah, because that defense hasn't been out of the top 10 since 1999. I'm sure Mike Tomlin is thinking "I've been head coach for three seasons, and in those three seasons our defense was #1, #1 and #5 - I think we need to change our scheme..." He definitely doesn't subscribe to that hocus pocus. |
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« Reply #67 on: February 26, 2010, 10:30:17 AM » |
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Why would they switch to a 4-3?
For one thing their head coach was a D Coordinator for a 4-3. Ok, so why wouldn't he just switch it from the get go when he became head coach? Oh yeah, because that defense hasn't been out of the top 10 since 1999. I'm sure Mike Tomlin is thinking "I've been head coach for three seasons, and in those three seasons our defense was #1, #1 and #5 - I think we need to change our scheme..." He definitely doesn't subscribe to that hocus pocus. right... he knows that he walked into a good scheme with the right players and Dick Lebeau. However, as they age and become free agents, its going to be harder to replenish as so many other teams are moving to the 3-4. There will be that much more competition from other, more foolishly spending teams, for the elite players in that scheme. I just think that at some point, given his background in the 4-3, and the fact that impact players in that scheme are becoming undervalued because of the league-wide switch to the 3-4, that switch will be made. In 2 of 3 drafts he's selected players that fit that mold in the first round. Watch, they are going to be stockpiling hybrid players until they can make the transition pretty seamlessly. I know that Lebeau wasn't around for that entire span, but the common thread was Cowher, and he hired Lebeau early. Who then influenced his replacements (except for Tim Lewis, that dude blew) up until the point that he was re-hired. |
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« Reply #68 on: February 26, 2010, 10:31:30 AM » |
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Ok, so why wouldn't he just switch it from the get go when he became head coach? Oh yeah, because that defense hasn't been out of the top 10 since 1999. I'm sure Mike Tomlin is thinking "I've been head coach for three seasons, and in those three seasons our defense was #1, #1 and #5 - I think we need to change our scheme..." He definitely doesn't subscribe to that hocus pocus.
He was a 1st year head coach and Lebeau wanted to stay on with the team. Do you honestly think that they would have stuck with a 3-4 if Lebeau had decided to retire when Cowher left? I don't think Tomlin ever coached a defense in Tampa or Minnesota that was ranked out of the top 10, and those were 4-3 defenses. |
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« Reply #69 on: February 26, 2010, 10:37:14 AM » |
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I just think that at some point, given his background in the 4-3, and the fact that impact players in that scheme are becoming undervalued because of the league-wide switch to the 3-4, that switch will be made. In 2 of 3 drafts he's selected players that fit that mold in the first round. Watch, they are going to be stockpiling hybrid players until they can make the transition pretty seamlessly.
This is a very good point. Colleges just don't produce that many great 3-4 players and look at the demand for 3-4 outside linebackers and defensive linemen right now. As more teams switch it's going to get harder and harder to find quality players. Buffalo is the latest to make the transition. |
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« Reply #70 on: February 26, 2010, 10:58:49 AM » |
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Ok, so why wouldn't he just switch it from the get go when he became head coach? Oh yeah, because that defense hasn't been out of the top 10 since 1999. I'm sure Mike Tomlin is thinking "I've been head coach for three seasons, and in those three seasons our defense was #1, #1 and #5 - I think we need to change our scheme..." He definitely doesn't subscribe to that hocus pocus.
He was a 1st year head coach and Lebeau wanted to stay on with the team. Do you honestly think that they would have stuck with a 3-4 if Lebeau had decided to retire when Cowher left? I don't think Tomlin ever coached a defense in Tampa or Minnesota that was ranked out of the top 10, and those were 4-3 defenses. Say LeBeau retired when Cowher left - If they still had all of the personnel for the 3-4, and Tomlin's a new coach and trying to put his stamp on his first year, is he gonna go into "rebuilding mode" with a franchise that had won the SuperBowl two seasons beforehand, and had been in the AFC championship twice that decade besides 2005? Also the whole "Tomlin was a DC for two 4-3 teams so he will eventually change to a 4-3" argument is not that sound as Cowher was DC for the Chiefs immediately before becoming the HC of the Steelers, and the Chiefs ran a 4-3 So yeah I absolutely think he would have stuck with the 3-4 regardless of what LeBeau did. |
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« Reply #71 on: February 26, 2010, 11:32:39 AM » |
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Also, as someone else mentioned, with Keith Butler staying on as linebackers coach and considered to be the heir apparent when LeBeau retires I don't think he'll change schemes either.
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« Reply #72 on: February 26, 2010, 11:44:21 AM » |
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Don't get too confident about Butler replacing Lebeau. Everyone considered Whisenhunt the heir to Cowher (including Whis himself) and we all know how that ended.
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« Reply #73 on: February 26, 2010, 11:49:45 AM » |
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Don't get too confident about Butler replacing Lebeau. Everyone considered Whisenhunt the heir to Cowher (including Whis himself) and we all know how that ended.
True. I'm not saying I'm 100% sure that in the long run (next 10 years) they will stay with the 3-4, but at least for the next three of four years they are gonna stick with it I imagine. Also, LeBeau's version of the 3-4 is a bit more complicated than just 3 linemen and 4 LBs - http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2009/9/21/1047264/the-2-4-5-and-1-5-5-revealed |
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« Reply #74 on: February 26, 2010, 12:08:59 PM » |
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If they still had all of the personnel for the 3-4
I don't think that this switch would have been as hard as you make it out to be. Let's not forget that in 2007 James Harrison was not the commodity that he is now and Clark Haggans was gone the next year. So I don't know that they would have had too much trouble losing them if they didn't fit the new scheme. |
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« Reply #75 on: February 26, 2010, 12:10:49 PM » |
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Geez- you guys sound like Matt, Paco and I arguing about the Buccos.
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« Reply #76 on: February 26, 2010, 12:11:02 PM » |
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for the next three of four years they are gonna stick with it I imagine.
I totally agree with that. That's why I still think they're going to draft a 3-4 nose tackle since this draft has several good ones available. |
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« Reply #77 on: February 26, 2010, 12:21:37 PM » |
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Geez- you guys sound like Matt, Paco and I arguing about the Buccos.
I was just thinking of a hey rocco line about the stillers too! |
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« Reply #78 on: February 26, 2010, 12:27:23 PM » |
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Hey rocco - Why'em Stillers franchise that Jeff Reed when they coulda got 'at kicker from Pitt last year? At least he could kick a ball through the endzone and tackle something besides an MTO.
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« Reply #79 on: February 26, 2010, 03:02:54 PM » |
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« Reply #80 on: February 26, 2010, 03:07:01 PM » |
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Wow, I definitely did not see that coming. I wonder if someone will pick him up, but I think his size may prevent that from happening at the prize he apparently is seeking.
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« Reply #81 on: February 27, 2010, 12:29:14 PM » |
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Wow, I definitely did not see that coming. I wonder if someone will pick him up, but I think his size may prevent that from happening at the prize he apparently is seeking.
What the hell is up with San Diego? And nice avatar, by the way. |
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« Reply #82 on: March 05, 2010, 03:48:37 PM » |
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I don't have opinions anymore. All I know is that no one is better than anyone else, and everyone is the best at everything.
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« Reply #83 on: March 05, 2010, 04:03:01 PM » |
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What, is this gonna be like an annual thing now?
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« Reply #85 on: March 05, 2010, 04:08:51 PM » |
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But TMZ is a credible news source. |
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« Reply #86 on: March 05, 2010, 04:14:21 PM » |
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But TMZ is a credible news source. Credible enough for WPXI to have it on the front page of their website... which isn't saying much... |
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« Reply #87 on: March 05, 2010, 04:16:23 PM » |
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I think being able to have the eye-catching headline is a bit higher of a priority than credibility.
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« Reply #89 on: March 05, 2010, 04:30:37 PM » |
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why can't stillers keep their willies out of holes?
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