Real Estate thread. Suck it.

[newefezziwig]

Its not "you can leave you car/house unlocked" area

I wouldn't do that ANYWHERE in the city.

Yeah, what do you think this is? Canada?

Ehh there are some places where there is a better chance of your car/house not getting messed with if its unlocked (parts of Shadyside and Squirrel Hill come to mind), as opposed to Cedar Ave where you don't leave shit unlocked for more than 5 minutes.

I could live in the most "crime free" neighborhood in the world - I would still lock my car and house at all times.

Paco's car was broken into on the mean streets of Friendship, not too far away from yon Shadyside.  And that shit was locked AFAIK

[Jeebas]

Wow. They even have a website now!
http://tomfridaysmarket.com/

Hmm looking over this they use corn fed beef. I try to purchase grass fed.

Does the grass fed beef give you less of a chance of getting the meat sweats?

But seriously - it's an old fashioned butcher shop, not some hoighty toighty meatery

So they can't buy meat from local farmers? What's hoighty toighty about feeding grass over grain?

Ehh being that concerned about whether they're fed grass or corn (or whatever else) is IMHO being a little too picky. I can understand how some people are concerned and interested about that, and that's nice and all but to expect good ol'  blue collar Tom Friday's to be up to some "gourmet organic" hocus pocus is a bit out of place. It's like going to Iron City and asking for an IPA

[Bull]

What hocus pocus? It's plain better. It would be more like going into a bar which prides itself on it's beer and them only serving Iron City. I just thought it was funny that the homepage has it listed that they have grain fed beef.

[Shoval Manuts]

Just don't be like Tami Tidwell and buy a house you've only seen pictures of.
http://www.pittsburghcitypaper.ws/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid:65085

there's always a shortage of good rental housing, good landlords in Pittsburgh

Hey, that's me!

"I know this all sounds ridiculous and I sound like the stupidest person in the world," she admits. But, "I just never dreamed that in the United States of America ... people could just lie about what things are."

You said it, lady...

[Jeebas]

Its not "you can leave you car/house unlocked" area

I wouldn't do that ANYWHERE in the city.

Yeah, what do you think this is? Canada?

Ehh there are some places where there is a better chance of your car/house not getting messed with if its unlocked (parts of Shadyside and Squirrel Hill come to mind), as opposed to Cedar Ave where you don't leave shit unlocked for more than 5 minutes.

I could live in the most "crime free" neighborhood in the world - I would still lock my car and house at all times.

Paco's car was broken into on the mean streets of Friendship, not too far away from yon Shadyside.  And that shit was locked AFAIK

Hence the "parts of". Anywho, I agree with Ponce's post about not doing that anywhere in the city (or most of the suburbs for that matter). When I was in Titusville, the coworker I stayed with was out of town alot and would leave his door unlocked all the time, I would lock it on the days I was there, and he'd get back and grumble about needing to find his house keys

[Jeebas]

What hocus pocus? It's plain better. It would be more like going into a bar which prides itself on it's beer and them only serving Iron City. I just thought it was funny that the homepage has it listed that they have grain fed beef.

Maybe Tom likes more fat (and E coli) on his meat...

[Bull]

This isn't a hippie I love animals discussion here, and it's not hocus pocus or hoighty toighty either. (man you use a lot of slang terms)
It's proven to be better in several ways. One be the meat is less fatty and taste better. Here are some quotes from that article that raise valid points and concerns that people should be aware of.

"Although USDA inspections are supposed to detect E. coli, the system is not perfect. In 1993, 600 people in Seattle got sick and three children died after eating E. coli-- tainted hamburger. Since then, outbreaks have triggered more recalls and led to a federal recommendation that consumers cook beef thoroughly. According to USDA research, more than half of grain-fed cattle have been found to have acid-resistant E. coli in their feces; the proportion drops to 15% if they are switched to hay.


Mad-cow disease, which can jump to humans in the form of a fatal brain illness, is another concern. It's believed to be a product of serving cattle parts to cattle. The practice was banned in the U.S. in 1997, but beef tallow is still allowed in feed (along with other "supplements" like chicken feathers)--a source of continuing controversy.

By many accounts, the grain diet contributes to one more public-health problem. Overuse of antibiotics has caused more and more bacteria to become resistant to treatment, a factor in the deaths of more than 60,000 Americans each year. An estimated 70% of the nation's antibiotics are fed to livestock and poultry to prevent illnesses and promote growth. Some 300 organizations, including the American Medical Association, have called for an end to nontherapeutic use of antibiotics in animal feed. The NCBA counters that antibiotics are judiciously applied. But the line between necessary treatment and routine use is blurred by the fact that a grain-based diet often leads to stomach ulcers and liver abscesses in cattle--a problem that has fueled the wrath of animal-rights groups. Grass-fed steers rarely require antibiotics."

[$1.50]

What hocus pocus? It's plain better. It would be more like going into a bar which prides itself on it's beer and them only serving Iron City. I just thought it was funny that the homepage has it listed that they have grain fed beef.

Not to mention the fact that it's the way cattle have been fed since they were introduced to North America, which I think counts for something. I don't think that feeding cattle grains came around until there were refridgerated train cars and all that.

[Bull]

That being said I'd still probably buy some ribs there. Grass fed is hard to come by still, but there are some local farmers that offer it. it would be nice to see these local stores work with the local farmers to push a higher quality product. That's all.

[homesystem]

It'd also be nice to see some local farmers peddling meat and meat products at the farmers market alongside the vegetables... that'd be badass.

[Bull]

What hocus pocus? It's plain better. It would be more like going into a bar which prides itself on it's beer and them only serving Iron City. I just thought it was funny that the homepage has it listed that they have grain fed beef.

Not to mention the fact that it's the way cattle have been fed since they were introduced to North America, which I think counts for something. I don't think that feeding cattle grains came around until there were refridgerated train cars and all that.

Actually before world war 2 almost all cattle was grass fed. So that would make all of our grandparents hoighty toighty, I guess. 

[Bull]

It'd also be nice to see some local farmers peddling meat and meat products at the farmers market alongside the vegetables... that'd be badass.

Yeah our farmshare (Gregor's Relatives)offers grass fed beef from their neighbors farm but when we called and asked about it all he had a the time was 30lbs lots of ground beef.

[$1.50]

http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/grd/1244175235.html

This place sells it by the cut at a farmers market in Robinson Twp.

[Gregor]

30lbs lots of ground beef.

Time for another 30/30 challenge?

[Bull]

http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/grd/1244175235.html

This place sells it by the cut at a farmers market in Robinson Twp.

huh I might have to try some.

[Jeebas]

What hocus pocus? It's plain better. It would be more like going into a bar which prides itself on it's beer and them only serving Iron City. I just thought it was funny that the homepage has it listed that they have grain fed beef.

Not to mention the fact that it's the way cattle have been fed since they were introduced to North America, which I think counts for something. I don't think that feeding cattle grains came around until there were refridgerated train cars and all that.

Actually before world war 2 almost all cattle was grass fed. So that would make all of our grandparents hoighty toighty, I guess. 

Hey I never said that them being grass-fed was hoighty toighty. Just that being so overconcerned about it makes you sound like a big tree-hugging "I only shop at Whole Foods" douche.

[Bull]

Nah that's organic, there's a diffrence... I know it's crazy.

Grass fed or pasture-fed cattle, grass and other forage compose most all or at least the great majority of the grass fed diet. The debate is whether cattle should be raised on diets primarily composed of pasture (grass) or a concentrated diet of grain, soy and other supplements. The issue is often complicated by the political interests and confusion between labels such as "free range", "organic", or "natural". Cattle raised on a primarily forage diet are termed grass-fed or pasture-raised; for example meat or milk may be called grass-fed beef or pasture-raised dairy. However, the term "pasture-raised" can lead to confusion with the term "free range", which does not describe exactly what the animals eat.

Okay I'm tired of seeing the word grass now.

BTW I have never shopped at whole foods.

[$1.50]

Hey I never said that them being grass-fed was hoighty toighty. Just that being so overconcerned about it makes you sound like a big tree-hugging "I only shop at Whole Foods" douche.

No. Bull's just the regular kind of douche.

[Bull]

No. Bull's just the regular kind of douche.

Yes, yes I am. See this is what happens when I get no calls at work and I have too much time on my hands.

[homesystem]

http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/grd/1244175235.html

This place sells it by the cut at a farmers market in Robinson Twp.

Fuckin' craigslist is blocked at work, of course.. but Robinson Twp. is a very fuckin' convenient location... so maybe I have a new source for meat.

[homesystem]

What hocus pocus? It's plain better. It would be more like going into a bar which prides itself on it's beer and them only serving Iron City. I just thought it was funny that the homepage has it listed that they have grain fed beef.

Not to mention the fact that it's the way cattle have been fed since they were introduced to North America, which I think counts for something. I don't think that feeding cattle grains came around until there were refridgerated train cars and all that.

Actually before world war 2 almost all cattle was grass fed. So that would make all of our grandparents hoighty toighty, I guess. 

Hey I never said that them being grass-fed was hoighty toighty. Just that being so overconcerned about it makes you sound like a big tree-hugging "I only shop at Whole Foods" douche.

Also, there's the difference in reasoning for it.. Bull wants it because he likes the meat better, and it's quite possibly more healthy... the big tree-hugging whole foods douche is probably more concerned with the fact that grass-fed cattle is treated more humanely (in general) than corn-fed cattle raised by big meat-producing companies.

[Bull]

Hey I never said that them being grass-fed was hoighty toighty. Just that being so overconcerned about it makes you sound like a big tree-hugging "I only shop at Whole Foods" douche.

That's fine. I know how you feel. I get the same way when people talk about Politics. But for me this is an example of what needs changed to really correct the system and what is wrong with our way of life. Does that make sense?

[homesystem]

Hey I never said that them being grass-fed was hoighty toighty. Just that being so overconcerned about it makes you sound like a big tree-hugging "I only shop at Whole Foods" douche.

That's fine. I know how you feel. I get the same way when people talk about Politics. But for me this is an example of what needs changed to really correct the system and what is wrong with our way of life. Does that make sense?

Yeah, it makes perfect sense, you big tree-hugging whole foods douche.

[Jeebas]

Nah that's organic, there's a diffrence... I know it's crazy.

Grass fed or pasture-fed cattle, grass and other forage compose most all or at least the great majority of the grass fed diet. The debate is whether cattle should be raised on diets primarily composed of pasture (grass) or a concentrated diet of grain, soy and other supplements. The issue is often complicated by the political interests and confusion between labels such as "free range", "organic", or "natural". Cattle raised on a primarily forage diet are termed grass-fed or pasture-raised; for example meat or milk may be called grass-fed beef or pasture-raised dairy. However, the term "pasture-raised" can lead to confusion with the term "free range", which does not describe exactly what the animals eat.

Okay I'm tired of seeing the word grass now.

BTW I have never shopped at whole foods.

I can't really argue against healthier food, and I just think that most of the terms used to describe the debate make most people (including my "poorly informed in the realm of meat" self) think of tree-hugging yuppie liberals.

So do you think that TF like it don't offer grass-fed beef because it would cost more to them? Or just because they for whatever reason think the corn-fed beef is better (which they must as they advertise on their front page)

[Jeebas]

It kinda reminds me of this -

"Unaware of what year it was, Joe wandered the streets desperate for help. But the English language had deteriorated into a hybrid of hillbilly, valleygirl, inner-city slang and various grunts. Joe was able to understand them, but when he spoke in an ordinary voice he sounded pompous and faggy to them. "

[Tha_Professa]

Since money talks, I'm going to guess it's mostly about the money.

[Bull]

That's what I'm not sure of. I don't know what the costs are, but I'm assuming buying cornfed would be cheaper as it's easier to come by and is kinda (factory)massed produced. But then again it's not like grass cost a lot to feed to the animals. Who knows, maybe they do offer it and just haven't updated their website.

I'm just going to guess that it's expensive and most people really don't know what the difference is. I mean if you see organic, or natural beef and then grass fed you're probably going to think it's all the same thing.

[Bull]

It kinda reminds me of this -

"Unaware of what year it was, Joe wandered the streets desperate for help. But the English language had deteriorated into a hybrid of hillbilly, valleygirl, inner-city slang and various grunts. Joe was able to understand them, but when he spoke in an ordinary voice he sounded pompous and faggy to them. "

HA exactly.

[Jeebas]

All this talk about meat makes me want to grill up some ribs tonight

[Bull]

Well if anyone does buy any grassfed beef, you dont' have to cook it too long. Since it has less fat it dries toughens faster. Besides you have less rest of E-coli so you can eat that stuff rare. lol.